CMO Awards: "Look at the world the CEO and board is facing into. Markets are relentless. If you're not delivering an increase in profit and share price, [their] tenure can be very short.” Which is why the CEO needs the CMO to say no more often, per Michele Phillips, current partner at executive recruitment firm 100 Percent Partners and former VP and marketing chief of Electrolux, Kimberly-Clark and Procter & Gamble. Don't try and do more, focus on profit and value – and reorganise marketing teams to those metrics, pronto. "Are you going to disrupt it first, or are you going to wait for a management consultant from one of the big four to come in and disrupt it?” Phillips’ fellow CMO Awards judges, John Batistich and Nikki Warburton, are former chief marketers turned NEDs. Which means they intimately know the lay of the land inside boards, and what CEOs want in urgent response to volatile economic and demographic shifts, geopolitical alignments, heightened reputational risk and AI disruption. Here’s their take, setting the benchmark for the first episode of our new CMO Awards podcast series.